Oh I agree, and wholeheartedly, Sharni, he does need some actual professional help. And he has tried seeking it, on his own and at my and others urgings. Just this past fall he tried, but for some reason, I don't know I am not there with him, the therapists don't listen to him or think he's full of malarky. So usually he comes and talks to me, for whatever help my psych degree will afford him.

Not trying to get pity for him, but just trying to let you know that he does know that he needs help.

Hey CL - I don't really have much to say on this subject. But, I think I have a few words of help for you. Dude, no psych ward or doctor or shrink is going to help you. They can talk and talk and talk and talk and listen and listen and listen, but until you (YOU) decide to change what you are telling yoursefl in your head then nothing is going to change. You gotta get off your ass and make things happen. Good fortune will not come to you, this is not a "good fortune around every corner" type of world - you have to go AFTER IT. Be ambitious - hell watch Dr. Phil - just don't keep telling yourself how horrible you are, because obviously you aren't. You are a good guy who is stuck in a rut - turn your lemons into lemonade!

GET THE FUCK UP AND DO THE DAMN HAPPY DANCE THAT CASPER MENTIONED!!!

SMILE EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE!!!!

THINK ABOUT THE POSITIVE THINGS IN YOUR LIFE!! And don't say you don't have positives - you obviously have many friends here at pixy's that are willing to read about your moans and groans and pissy problems. And better yet - these people understand, try to relate, and try to help. So there you go - several positive things all at once!!

PM if you ever need someone to rant to.

While not always true (and, God help me, I should know), most people who threaten suicide never even attempt it, never mind succeed. If someone is so depressed that suicide seems the best, no, ONLY, way out for them, they will do it...... and usually the first thing anyone knows about it is when they're called on to identify the body.

Yes, professional help will probably aid CL in overcoming whatever feelings he has that cause him to feel the way he does, and I pray he does exactly that...... I did, and I'm the (fairly) happy guy I am today. What generally DOESN'T help is people saying "pull yourself together" or similar, nor does getting "pissed off" or "angry" with the person...... if they're THAT low, it means nothing anyway, and certainly won't help in ANY constructive way.

I don't want it to seem like I'm denigrating ANYone's opinion here; because I'm not. Nor am I saying, especially in light of CL's latter post, that he is neccesarily Clinically depressed...... BUT ~ I see so much lack of understanding of depression, even in people who IMHO should know better, (CA's mother springs to mind here) I couldn't help try to explain it to you all.

Being ½ canned probably ISN'T helping here, but I hope you've taken a little bit from this. I'll f*ck off now, and stop bothering you!!

DM

I do not need depression explained to me :) I suffer from it too...though not as bad as some...



Well until the man in question adds his say...we dont know do we..

But i still stand by both my posts....talk suicide to me and you will get that reaction....i believe it to be the cowards way out of dealing with life!

A word to all who contemplate suicide

My current best friend suffers severe depression and i listen (i do mean listen) to her...but she knows if she ever mentions suicide that she will get a serve from me..

Another person close to me shot himself because apparently life was just too much too take....what about the ppl he left behind struggling to understand why he chose to leave us rather than let us help him

I tell ya if i could again say anything else to him...i'd smack him upside the fucken head for the pain he caused all who loved him...explain to him that i love him but i hate him for taking the easy way out..that while his suffering may have ended...he set in motion a lot of other lives that have now to deal with the pain that his suicide caused!

So if anyone here is contemplating suicide...talk to a professional
.....get help for fucks sake...think of the ones left behind who have to try to deal with your death

But be warned if ya are depressed and talk to me...i'll listen and have a shoulder for you (and always will)....but you mention suicide you'll also have to deal with my reaction to you wanting to waste your life!

Think of the kids and adults that through no choice of their own are battling to stay alive...wether it be cancer...disease or accident etc

And you who...just chooses to throw the gift of life away

I agree with sharni and with DM

I am a failed suicide and I was pretty serious about it when it occurred at age 30. I dint go round telling everyone, I went and did it. It was a miracle I survived and was in hospital for a month getting over it.

When I was getting help from the shrink I realised the suffering that my attempt had forced on my family.

For me being depressed is like being in a deep dark hole and people and things around you do not penetrate into it much. It is truly a living hell.

It can be treated though

I didn't know that, but I picked YOUR post, because it contained all the elements I wanted to comment on! :)






Have to say, you're "preaching to the converted" here, Sharni!! I have no intention of going into details, now or ever, but I've BEEN in the "Dark Place" and come out the other side ~ it was only once I came through it though, that I was able to 'think' clearly at all..... and THAT'S when all the feelings You have about suicide hit me, too.

And they've stayed with me ever since. I've also "lost" people to suicide, both friends AND, last year, one of my patients. It hurts, as you know, makes you want to bring them back and kill 'em yourself for being so stupid..... MY job is doing that (sort of!)BEFORE things get that far... but when you're dealing with a person who has already decided that killing themselves is the only way "out", they WON'T tell you, no matter what you try. It's only the people who are only 99.9% sure that we (as in Mental Health Workers) can do anything about it.

Just as a point of interest; the highest rate of suicide (in Britain anyway) is in young males between ages 18-25..... there's all SORTS of reasons why "they" think this is so...... my thinking is, they don't REALLY know!

DM


(I've re-read this 4 or 5 times now, and I'm still not happy with it.. but I'm gonna post it anyway! :))

I KNOW you are, hun! :D


I told you I wasn't happy with my post, didn't I?? Basically, all the 'waffle' meant "I agree with ya"! Always been a problem of mine, that.... can't use one word when 20 will do!! :)

(Luv ya, Sharni!! :heart: )

DM

I luv sharni too a respected and treasured friend :)